10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

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10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby azrael » Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:27 pm

Edit existing 10.3 from

When an election is due, the NEC will announce the opening of nominations. The nomination period must remain open for a period of no less than 14 days, and normally no more than 31 days.

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When an election is due, the NEC will announce the opening of nominations. The nomination period must remain open for a period of no less than 14 days, and normally no more than 31 days. If no nominations occur then nominations remain open indefinitely. The NEC must re-announce the open nominations at least twice a year. Should a candidate be nominated after the initial 31 days, nominations must then remain open for at least a further 14 days.


and edit existing 10.15 from
When an elected position is vacant an election process for the position will be held following the rules in section 10 corresponding to the position and within 30 days of the position being vacated or as soon as a candidate is proposed, whichever is the longer period.

to
When an elected position is vacant outside of the normal election terms an election process for the position will be held for the position following the rules in section 10. These extra-ordinary procedures should ordinarily begin within 30 days of the position becoming vacant.


The current 10.15 is very awkwardly worded and this combination of changes allows for positions not receiving nominations to remain open until nominations are received.
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby tempest3k » Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:46 pm

These sound a lot better and will make it easier to manage nomination periods.
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby azrael » Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:56 pm

that's the hope :)
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby Gavman » Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:26 pm

Can we also for certain elections, say that it resets the clock on that election?

for instance, currently NEC elections must be help every two years for all positions, regardless of how long someone has held the position.
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby azrael » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:32 pm

Currently an individual election doesn't reset the clock (as it were) so I wouldn't want to see this clause change to reset that clock.

*If* it is desirable to have the clock reset - and that is a much bigger discussion - I'd rather see such an amendment directly to 10.10 and 10.11
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby scuzzmonkey » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:18 am

I think this should be split ...it's very wordy and contains a lot of different situations that apply to broader subjects that itself exclusively.

10.3.1
When an election is due, the NEC will announce the opening of nominations. The nomination period must remain open for a period of no less than 14 days, and normally no more than 31 days.

10.3.2
Nominations will remain open indefinitely if no nominations are received. Should a nomination occur after this period nominations must remain open for a minimum of 14 days from the date of nomination.

10.3.3
Open nominations must be announced by the NEC at least every 25 weeks.
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby Gavman » Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:43 am

good idea scuzz, that makes it a lot more readable and makes sense
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby tempest3k » Wed Sep 21, 2011 12:02 pm

Why every 25 weeks? If we want twice yearly, should be 26 surely?
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby azrael » Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:41 pm

10.3.1
When an election is due, the NEC will announce the opening of nominations. The nomination period must remain open for a period of no less than 14 days, and normally no more than 31 days.

10.3.2
Nominations will remain open indefinitely if no nominations are received. Should a nomination occur after this period nominations must remain open for a minimum of 14 days from the date of a nomination being made.

10.3.3
Open nominations must be announced by the NEC at least every 26 weeks.


slight tweaks, underlined.
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby lhsi » Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:13 pm

10.3.3
Open nominations must be announced by the NEC at least every 26 weeks.


I'm not sure I understand this, is there always going to be nominations every 26 weeks, or if a position opens and there are no nominations for it, it remains open and people are reminded it is still open every 26 weeks?
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby azrael » Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:06 pm

The latter. This is to avoid a no-mans land of there being no nominations, no-one elected, and yet nominations closing for an indeterminate length of time. Better to just keep nominations open indefinitely. At that point the fact that nominations are open could get lost and forgotten - so it is good to have reminders. Frankly anyone can remind everyone that the nominations are open, whenever they want, but we should ensure that there is an official reminder now and again. Could be twice a year isn't often enough ...

Also, the 10.3.3 above needs to be read in context of the preceding 2 clauses.

if you imagine it in context http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/wiki/Constitution then the .1 .2 and .3 show the above as 'indented' from everything around them and thus sub-clauses which are more tightly related.
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby lhsi » Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:09 pm

OK, that makes more sense, thanks. I thought thats what was meant by open nominations from clause 2, but wasn't sure if they were talking about the same thing or not.

Thanks for the link to the Constitution, I can't seem to find a link to it anywhere on the main site (although I'm probably not looking hard enough)
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby azrael » Wed Sep 21, 2011 9:17 pm

I always refer to that wiki page myself, but it is also at http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/party/how ... stitution/
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby scuzzmonkey » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:26 pm

tempest3k wrote:Why every 25 weeks? If we want twice yearly, should be 26 surely?


The 25 was on purpose - it was to make absolutely certain it happened twice within 12 months, rather than happening on the extreme of the limit.

For example, say everything started on the 1st Jan - 25 weeks would be (roughly) the 23rd May, and a further 25 weeks would be (roughly) the 17th December - thus making it "all nice and tidy" within the 12 months.

If it was 26 weeks, it would be much closer to the 1st Jan again.... (off the top of my head, it would probably be around the 30th December).

If we're cool with 26, leave it as 26 - it's just my own personal niggles :P
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby tempest3k » Thu Sep 22, 2011 9:42 am

Personally, I'll be aiming to remind people more often (probably quarterly). However, we need the minimum down on paper and I think 26 weeks works for that.
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby azrael » Thu Sep 22, 2011 11:14 am

I imagine that with a missing person (especially on the NEC) the others will feel pressure of extra work and want a new colleague to be screaming on a near daily basis to the members to step forwards to nominate :)
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby tempest3k » Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:37 pm

azrael wrote:I imagine that with a missing person (especially on the NEC) the others will feel pressure of extra work and want a new colleague to be screaming on a near daily basis to the members to step forwards to nominate :)


Well, yes but tht would probably come down to arm twisting rather than official reminders :p
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby cabalamat » Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:57 pm

azrael wrote:Edit existing 10.3 from

When an election is due, the NEC will announce the opening of nominations. The nomination period must remain open for a period of no less than 14 days, and normally no more than 31 days.

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When an election is due, the NEC will announce the opening of nominations. The nomination period must remain open for a period of no less than 14 days, and normally no more than 31 days. If no nominations occur then nominations remain open indefinitely. The NEC must re-announce the open nominations at least twice a year. Should a candidate be nominated after the initial 31 days, nominations must then remain open for at least a further 14 days.


May I suggest that instead, have the following:

10.3.1 The nomination period is 14 days, except for the party leader where the nomination period is 21 days.
10.3.2 If after the end of the nomination period, there are fewer seconded candidates than the number of vacant places, the nomination period is automatically extended by 14 days.
10.3.3 After the extended nomination period, if no nominations occur for a position, that position remains open indefinitely; the NEC must re-announce the open nominations at least once every 25 weeks.


Reasons:

* The party leader is the most important position, so it makes sense that the election process for this position lasts longer.
* Making extension of the nomination period automatic removes the uncertainty about what will occur.
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby azrael » Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:08 pm

Not sure how much uncertainty there is with 'If no nominations occur then nominations remain open indefinitely.' and 'Should a candidate be nominated after the initial 31 days, nominations must then remain open for at least a further 14 days. '

curious as to other people's opinion on leader being open for noms longer.
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Re: 10.3 & 10.15 extended nominations

Postby tuoni » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:54 am

azrael wrote:curious as to other people's opinion on leader being open for noms longer.
I'd like to think that anyone who was serious about taking any role, whether it be on the board or the NEC would be able to nominate themselves within the timeframe if they have the motivation to do the job.

If anything, I would say the Leader role should be strictly the shortest the most strictly adhered to since we don't want a drawn-out period without a party leader.
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