AZ033 - 10.2.2 Elections -> Self-Nominations

Discuss our Party Constitution and any suggested amendments here

Do you accept the proposed change(s)?

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AZ033 - 10.2.2 Elections -> Self-Nominations

Postby azrael » Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:45 pm

Affects 10.2.2

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10.2.2 Unless specifically indicated otherwise, members may nominate themselves as a candidate for election. Where self-nomination is not permitted, nomination must be by another member. The following elected positions do not allow self-nomination: ???

the latter part is to deal with dual seconding, which just sounds silly, and ends up people using terminology of seconding and thirding
If we want to make sure 2 other members in good standing are behind a candidate, just exclude them from self nomination, so we have a nominator and a second ??
As to which positions should NOT allow self-noms, or in other words need 2 seconds, up until recently we've had none. Now there is proposal that party leader is such a position.

NOTE: this is actually a critically important clause as it deals with current issues relating to election of leader. if ??? becomes <none>, then we clearly disagree with the current procedures laid down for party leader.

additional: if 5.3 states 'Any member may stand as a candidate in such elections.' and we put a clause that requires a candidate being seconded, should 5.3 have that sentence stripped. Is 'Any member may stand as a candidate in such elections.' incompatible with the seconding process? This is also critically important as it deals wiith current issues

edit: removed good standing mentioned, and added to next clause for any who saw this before the edit
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2

Postby azrael » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:27 am

*bump*

seeking input :)
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2

Postby glambert » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:33 am

I'm not sure there are any roles that wouldn't have self-nomination are there?
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2

Postby AndrewTindall » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:38 am

changing 5.3 to "any member meeting prescribed requirements may stand as a candidate in such elections" would deal with that.
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2

Postby glambert » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:45 am

AndrewTindall wrote:changing 5.3 to "any member meeting prescribed requirements may stand as a candidate in such elections" would deal with that.


what are those prescribed requirements?
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2

Postby AndrewTindall » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:59 am

anything that states requirement of being seconded, exclusions, etc. Which are all in azrael's other amendments.
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2

Postby glambert » Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:00 pm

ok.
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2

Postby azrael » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:16 pm

glambert wrote:I'm not sure there are any roles that wouldn't have self-nomination are there?

this was to try and deal with situations like 'needing to be seconded twice' - which in and of itself sounds weird

so instead of self-nominate and need 2 seconds I was going down the route of no self nomination for certain things, so the nominate by 3rd party and the second by 3rd party essentially does the two seconds.

then again if we think the whole 2 seconds is stupid and not going to have it, then no need for the complicated no self nomination language
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2 Elections -> Self-Nominations

Postby azrael » Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:30 am

Is there any desire from any Governors for this clause to exist? If not and the other clauses pass there'll be no means to mirror the current process of needing 2 other people to put up a candidate. If it's a matter of phrasing I'm happy to discuss changing to whatever is suitable. But if all we want for all elections is self-nomination and 1 seconder, then this whole clause can be happily dropped.
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2 Elections -> Self-Nominations

Postby glambert » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:17 am

What if everyone nominated JohnB to be leader and he didn't want it?

Or are you saying that, for example, I would have to contact someone else to nominate me if I wanted to stand, which in itself would defeat the objective of not allowing self nomination, and would be just wasting time.
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2 Elections -> Self-Nominations

Postby scuzzmonkey » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:30 am

yea, i don't think i can really support the idea of people being forced in to positions they don't want.

if we change the terminology of seconding to supporting then we won't get thirds.
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2 Elections -> Self-Nominations

Postby glambert » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:34 am

Do we have to have any form of seconding? If a candidate isn't liked, they won't get voted in surely?

Afterall, the candidate has to be a member in Good Standing anyway, so it's not likely we'll get Mandy standing for leader any time soon.
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2 Elections -> Self-Nominations

Postby scuzzmonkey » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:37 am

it shows that the candidate has support within the party - and doesn't waste our (already limited) time on hopeless cases.

imo at least :P
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2 Elections -> Self-Nominations

Postby glambert » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:39 am

but if they have no support, that will show in a lack of votes surely?
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2 Elections -> Self-Nominations

Postby scuzzmonkey » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:42 am

agreed - but if we are having debates, contests, web cam conferences, and all that jazz after the nominations period has closed then is there any point in having a ballot with potentially size(members) on it?

if someone has been asked questions, put across their "election manifesto" etc and still no one has stepped out and supported them...then...well...the silence screams.
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2 Elections -> Self-Nominations

Postby glambert » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:59 am

perhaps for a single role position, but what about for the BoG? where there are multiple positions?
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2 Elections -> Self-Nominations

Postby scuzzmonkey » Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:01 am

then i don't really see much of an issue with it - especially under STV.

erm...shit.
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2 Elections -> Self-Nominations

Postby glambert » Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:08 am

scuzzmonkey wrote:then i don't really see much of an issue with it - especially under STV.

erm...shit.



Although, I did put Lucas ahead of Phillip simply because I don't like Phillip, but I don't have the deciding say on things, over a hundred voted.

But yeah, I can accept seconding for roles where only 1 can be elected, and would support that amendment, but I don't see it neccessary for a seconding for roles where multiples can be elected, and I don't think we should specify Board in case a new role comes up that means multiples can be elected, like an election officer, we might appoint 2 or 3 etc.
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2 Elections -> Self-Nominations

Postby scuzzmonkey » Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:42 am

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any position that is elected under STV a second is not required


simples :)
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Re: AZ033 - 10.2.2 Elections -> Self-Nominations

Postby glambert » Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:43 am

scuzzmonkey wrote:
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any position that is elected under STV a second is not required


simples :)


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